LOCATION OF
THE ACCIDENT:
BUDAPEST, HUNGARY
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 6:24 PM
Subject: motorcycle Accident
Hi Rick, first of all I know the
place! It is in Budapest,
Hungary on a road next to the
Danube River.
Just by chance I realized exactly the location because
although I am from Germany, I
spent a lot of time doing business in Budapest some years
ago. This is actually a pretty famous location so I
imagine others will recognize it as well.
I used to go for in-line skating in my free time just on the
opposite bank which is the Margaret
Island. The name of that bridge is
Margit Bridge. So I know
the location very well.
I entered the Google Maps link and landmark on my own after
I was sure where it is.
The location of the accident is very reasonable for such a
motorcycle accident. It is a
long narrow 2 way road. It
has no junctions or crossings for around 3 kilometers.
Usually there are no people
on the side walk because there is a 2 meter high wall with a
tram rail behind it.
There is no access for pedestrians.
The spot is usually
safe for a high speed ride in the
city, but the road is not in the
best condition and there is 2 way traffic.
It is very reasonable
to believe that the guy went around 150 km/h or more
and got in trouble either
with the road conditions or with a car coming into his way.
Unfortunately I don't know more about the accident than what
I wrote. However I think this scene is real for
a couple of reasons:
The missing blood for me is one of the strongest indication
that the scene is real. If
people would have set up a fake scene they would have used
plenty of blood (paint) in order to make it look 'real'.
Artificial blood or red
color is cheap. I would have used
plenty of it.
I used to be an ambulance driver some years ago during my
civil service. I have a basic
medical education because of that and I have some experience
with accident scenes.
The body is cut right at it's weakest point at the abdomen.
In this part of the body the
spinal column is the only bone structure with only round
about 5cm diameter and articulated joints every few
centimeters. So I think it
is possible that a body can be separated in 2 pieces by a
pole in this way as we can see it in those pictures.
At any time the biggest volume of the blood is present in
the Aorta and Vena Cava which are right in the area were the
body in these pictures got separated. When the body hit the
pole with a high speed the blood pressure inside the both
blood vessels had become enormous.
At the time the body parts separated it must have been like
an explosion vaporizing most of the blood in a big red
cloud. If you watch this picture carefully you can see a
light red-brown color along the sidewalk and parts of the
street. It follows exactly the flight path of the body and
parts. So the blood is not at the body - it is all over. The
remaining blood has no reason to run out of the body because
there is no blood pressure any longer after such a
separation.
By the way the flight paths and the position of the parts
are very reasonable according to physics.
In my opinion, the motorbike
seemingly did not hit the pole. That is the reason why we
don't see a lot of debris on the road.
The victim on the pictures has no shoes no trousers. Many
victims of real motorbike accident loose their shoes
and or their trousers.
Regards Jack X
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Rick Archer's Note: The accident picture above was taken
in the opposite direction of the 3 maps.
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From: System Override
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:52 AM
To: dance@ssqq.com
Subject: your mysterious motorcycle accident
Just wanted to solve a little mystery (unless someone else already
has). The photos are definitely from Budapest, in Hungary. The
building in the background is the house of Parliament, on the Pest
side of the Danube. The ambulances there have their names spelled
backwards on the front, so they can be read from the rear-view
mirror of a car.
This is probably why no-one can find information on the incident
too, because so very few people (comparatively) can go wading
through Hungarian news articles.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Austin
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 1:19 AM
To: dance@ssqq.com
Subject: motorcycle accident
Hello there, I've read the multiple responses and observations to
the pictures. I have a somewhat unique position from
which to write.
I don't actually even recall how I came to find the
pictures while surfing about, but I am an EMT, and
I've seen much of this. The pictures in my opinion are
quite real, and by some standards, not even as strange
as some scenes the emergency services come across
every day.
Other posters have addressed the issues of blood being
absent, due to instant heart stoppage, which is quite
possible, and the color, which looks quite real to me.
One might also consider than another vehicle was
involved and is not pictured.
Velocity is not the only factor is determining damage,
the mass/ density of the colliding objects must be
taken into account. Even slow speed incidents can
result in remarkable damage to the body. The pole in
the pictures could have been the cause of the
bi-section, the lack of blood on the pole proves
nothing.
The images are not so unusual, and not to sound jaded,
they happen all the time. However, I think if they
serve to make the viewer just a little more respectful
of life, then some small good can come out of
examining our own mortality in this way.
Personally, I've no interest in the current spate of
explicit horror films that are so popular - but images
such as this are featured in instructional medical
books.
S Austin
California
NREMT
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris W
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:25
pm
Subject: more info on motorcycle accident
Hi there, Pretty interesting
stuff.
I have further info for you. The location is indeed
Budapest.
That is the Margit Bridge in the
background and the building in the back is the Parliament
building.
That is Margaret Island to the left.
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This is a picture of a Hungarian ambulance from the
official Hungarian transport service.
The logo on the ambulance appears to be this
which is another indication the
accident indeed occurred
in Hungary.
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Yes, I'm pretty
much convinced the accident is
real.
As much as I want to believe it's a fakery!
Still, I was unable to find any documentation
such as a newspaper article.
I doubt that was a dummy that was used.
I did a google search on
"medical dummy" and realized the
most realistic ones don' t even come close to the realism of
the poor accident victim.
To make a dummy this realistic would require hours of time
and specialized artistic ability.
One of the best realist sculptors, Duane Hanson did a piece
titled
Motorcycle Accident. You will
find the picture about a quarter down on this page.
You will discover the realism is not even close to
the pictures you have posted.
I think you need a forensic scientist to weigh in on
the subject.
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A MEDICAL
EXAMINER SPEAKS UP
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob G
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:38 AM
Subject: motorcycle accident
I have been a crime scene examiner in Australia for nearly 20 years.
I have no doubt this is a real collision scene - I have seen similar
things.
Sometimes these tragic occurrences happen - fortunately most people
who have access to photos like this don't release them on the
internet. Therefore when the average Joe see photographs like this,
they appear so surreal that they are
assumed to be fake.
Won't go into it too much, but
there is a large swipe of blood on the footpath after the
pole which you would expect, sadly he was probably alive for
a few moments after coming to rest.
He has bled out from his aorta
which travels down the spine, leaving the large pool of
blood under him.
What is clean about the separation of the body???
Nothing clean here at all! The
body has just been torn in two by each half trying to
go around either side of the pole...not much strength there
only the spine...like tearing a lizard in half, it wouldn't
be real hard.
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It probably wasn't even that
high speed an event...I would guess not more than 60ph when
he hit the pole but that is way enough speed - he just hit
the pole with his body in exactly the right place for this
to occur.
There is a large spatter/smear of blood immediately after
the pole and a lighter mark which is often seen on the
bitumen at fatal pedestrian or motor bike collisions caused
by the skin or clothing abrading on the roadway.
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The intestines are pretty well
self contained and often leave the body in violent deaths
such as this.
They also have a very slippery coating and would slide along
the bitumen without leaving too much of a mark - there is
some blood spatter leading up to them if you look carefully.
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With regard to the bike having little damage, it hasn't hit the
pole, just slid into the gutter, the scrapes on the roadway and
impact and scrape damage on the wheels and tyres are totally
consistent with collision damage - probably would be more scrape
damage on the underside of the bike.
The mark on the chin is typical of a chinstrap abrasion from the
helmet which is in the background in one of the pics.
Also I have been to several motor bike deaths where the boots have
been blasted off at impact.
Everything looks totally real to
me.
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Regarding the people who claim this is a fake,
why would someone bother to do this?
I just meant, why would anyone go to all that trouble to stage
something like this...I have worked on local tv shows etc, and they
really don't need to be that good with the special effects as the
camera is always moving.
I have no doubt that job is real...happens every day somewhere in
the world, thankfully we just don't hear about it.
One simple thing that really proved
the shots to be real for me was the fact that the body parts were
covered for the deceased's dignity in the general scene shot with
the covers being removed for the close shots - very common crime
scene practise.
I showed the pictures to a bunch of colleagues from throughout the
state on a blood stain interpretation course recently and they all
had done similar scenes/incidents and all had no doubts about the
scene being real.
If you get some forensic books out of the library, (medicolegal
investigation of death scenes is a good one) they often show real
cases and they do look quite surreal, even if in black and
white...to give another example, I am also bomb/post-blast trained
and during my research I have seen plenty of examples of decapitated
suicide bombers who were wearing backpacks or bomb belts. Because of
the directional nature of explosives and one of Newton's laws (I
should know)...body gets pushed by the explosive...and head
basically stays intact, they are pretty durable - this is very
surreal as many other people may have been killed and buildings
structurally damaged. There is plenty on the web if you look hard
enough.
Interesting to note the replies from bikers, in Australia we have
recently had new cable systems introduced beside/between our
highways and these are a real worry to bikers, we also have steel
fences - like pool fences for the middle of roads where pedestrians
were previously regularly hit by cars to make them cross at the
crossings. These are also a worry to bikers.
I believe they call
them cheese graters
(see picture below)
Bob G
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MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT SUMMARY
Written by Rick Archer
July 2008
Thanks to Bob G,
the medical examiner from Australia, I think we can finally
put the mystery to rest.
I am grateful to this gentleman for taking the time to
enlighten us. Mr. G spent a lot of time carefully
going over every issue that has been raised in the various
emails. He responded by explaining the accident in a clear,
precise way.
I still wish I knew more about what caused the accident. As Mr. G said, it is likely the rider lost
control of the bike, hit the pole at the weakest point of
his body, and was split in two. I guess we have to
assume the Budapest man simply lost control of his bike.
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In August 2008,
a gentleman from Hong Kong sent me the gruesome picture on
the right. As you see, it depicts yet another horrible
death scene. And you know what, there isn't much
blood, is there?
Furthermore
there is nothing in the picture to suggest what cut the poor
man in two. What a bizarre picture to see all those
cyclists filing by staring in shock at the accident victim.
Imagine what must be going through their minds!
Thank you for
visiting my story. These pictures serve as a grim
warning to the rest of us that motorcycle safety
is an illusory term.
Before you go, don't forget to say a quiet prayer for the
deceased. What a shame it is for these men
to be cut down in the prime of their lives.
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THE FINAL FOOTNOTE
From:
Lady Linda
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:05 PM
To: dance@ssqq.com
Subject: RE: motorcycle accident
In regards to The Mystery of the
Gruesome Motorcycle Accident, although it probably
doesn't matter now, I stumbled across a website that
displays deaths and uncensored events that have occurred
in the past and present.
The website showed the same pictures of this accident as
well as mentioned where the accident occurred.
This website stated the accident took place in Budapest,
Hungary on October 10, 2007. The caption said the
motorcycle driver was ripped in half by a collision with
the roadside pole.
Regards, Linda
Rick Archer's Note:
On November 4, 2008, I visited the website listed
by Linda. I confirmed her information above is
correct. However the other data on the website was so
incredibly violent and gruesome, I recoiled in horror.
I confess I was morbidly fascinated, but eventually I just
couldn't take it any more. The material is so graphic,
it makes slasher movies much too believable for my taste.
In my daily life, I come across evidence in the newspaper
which reminds me there is a dark side to humanity, but
seeing pictures of it is far more powerful. Believe
me, this site confirms beyond a doubt there is evil in the
universe. And no, sorry, I won't share the link
Changing the subject back to our motorcycle accident, I have
been collecting emails now for eight months. In the
beginning, the vast majority of responders said the accident
was fake. I admit I too had my doubts. But
increasingly people began to suspect these pictures were not
faked.
In July 2008 we were fortunate to have a medical examiner
contribute his thoughts to suggest the accident was real.
And now this November 2008 contribution from Linda not only
confirms the suspected location, but adds the date.
We are all in debt to Linda for putting this mystery to
rest.
The only thing missing now is the name, but I don't think it
matters much. What does matter is that a handsome
young man lost his life tragically. I am sure his
horrible death hurt his family deeply. Before you
click off the page, perhaps a moment of quiet prayer for his
memory is in order.
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